Beyond Bookings: Turning Vacation Rentals into Success Stories with Dennis Goedheid, CEO of Casiola

In this week's episode of our CEO series, enjoy host Lee Murray's insightful conversation with Dennis Goedheid, CEO of Casiola, a full-service vacation home management company based in Central Florida. They discuss the evolution of the vacation rental market and how Casiola differentiates itself from giants like Airbnb by offering comprehensive services to homeowners. He emphasizes the importance of aligning the company's interests with those of homeowners and optimizing revenue through targeted booking channels.


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All right.

Welcome back to Exploring Growth.

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Today I have the privilege of

interviewing a local Central

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Florida CEO who started Casilla,

a vacation rental platform.

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Dennis, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you. Leah.

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So nice being here. Yeah.

So when I came across your website,

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I thought, there are more

platforms to book vacation rentals

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other than Airbnb and Vrbo, what is this, mad black magic?

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So I'm, I'm excited to have you

on the show and learn more about

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the niche you're carving out

here in the market.

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I'm really glad that you call us

vacation rentals, because a lot of

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people refer to our industry in

our sector just as Airbnbs, right?

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I stayed in an Airbnb instead of

I stayed in vacation rentals.

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So yes, that's really good.

Yeah, yeah.

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You know,

I want to be diplomatic.

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And I saw your website and

that's what your website says.

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So I want to, you know, speak the

terms that you guys are speaking.

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But I think Airbnb, to your point,

is really carved that niche like

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they've they've captured that name.

Kind of like I googled it that,

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you know,

people are saying I Airbnb, Airbnb.

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that's got to be just on the outset.

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It's got to be a little bit of a

barrier to, to,

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to cross for your business.

Well, they have been amazing in

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creating awareness,

for the space.

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So they were absolutely not the

first ones in the market.

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heard of HomeAway or verbal.

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I think ten,

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15 years before Airbnb came around.

But what Airbnb has accomplished in

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just the last few years has been,

a huge boost for, for our industry.

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So on one hand,

we don't like to be called Airbnb

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because it's so much more, Airbnb is one of the booking

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platforms that we also use.

But on the other hand,

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we're also very grateful,

that it had such an impact on

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our business and our industry.

So I'm fine with, with,

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with it anyway. I love it. Okay.

Well, then let's start with what

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is Castella and how did you come

up with this? Yeah.

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So Casilla is a full service,

vacation home management company.

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So, the booking part, that

you were referring to the the Airbnb

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and and booking your vacation is,

is one part of what we do. Okay.

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actually home owners, so,

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not so much the guests,

but home owners that that do have a

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vacation home or that are looking to

invest their money in short term

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rentals but that don't want to

deal with the 2 a.m. guest call to

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unclog the toilet or market their

home and and do the maintenance

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and clean the pool and and so on.

So we take all that off their plates.

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We do full service management

from paying your bills to,

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advertising the home,

scheduling photo shoots,

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providing 24 over seven guest

support, doing maintenance.

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We have built agreements,

for pool cleaning, for pest control,

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for for cable, all those things so

that they can just sit back, relax,

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use their home, maybe a few weeks,

a year when, when they're around,

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and they want to enjoy the area, and other than that, they,

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they just get a check every month.

So that's, that's the goal.

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I love it. It's.

It sounds so amazing.

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I kind of want to hire you just

for my own private,

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my own personal house.

But if you could just handle all

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that stuff for me. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. No, it is amazing.

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And it has, made vacation

rentals so much more accessible.

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what we saw is that the biggest

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customer base of home owners,

that were in vacation rentals were

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like, really second home owners.

So they, bought a home for

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themselves, for their family because

they love the environment and loved

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coming to Disney, for example,

with the kids or the grandkids.

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And they didn't really care about, the revenue and the money.

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They were just happy that their home

was being taken care of and that

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they could cover their like fixed

expenses, like way fees and taxes

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and utilities and stuff like that.

But they were not really in it to to

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make a big profit, every month, but then as more and more

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companies like,

like ours came around and we,

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we took it to the next level and,

and did it in more professional way,

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you saw more and more investors,

entering this, this market segment,

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because there's a lot more money

to be made in short term rentals

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than there is in long term rentals,

for example,

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or multifamily or or retail and

especially office these days.

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So it can be very profitable,

but it's also very, intensive.

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It's it's hard. It's 24 over seven, if you have if you're making some

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nice money and you have a busy job,

you don't want to do this on the

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side.

I know there's a lot of of TikTok

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videos and Facebook gurus that claim

that, short term rentals is

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passive income, and that is easy

and easy all the way to everything.

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But we're in the hospitality

business. It's not easy.

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It's not,

you cannot automate everything.

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You just have to to provide good

old hospitality 24 over seven.

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And usually when people are on

vacation.

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So Saturday, Sunday nights when they

come back from the theme parks,

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that's when they know this,

like, oh, my AC is not working

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or the pool is not clean.

So it's definitely not a passive side

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hustle. It's a lot of hard work.

And that's where we add value.

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We we take that off your plate and we

do everything for you. I love it.

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So tell me about how you got

into this.

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And I know you said,

off camera that you're from Belgium,

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thus the accent. Yeah, tell me a little bit about

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your story.

So,

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I've always been an entrepreneur.

So, as you mentioned, I,

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was born and raised in, in Belgium.

I started my first company the

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week after I turned 18 years old,

which is like the minimum age to

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start a company in Belgium, and I actually started,

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as a supplier of all things for,

for events.

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So we, we provided DJs and light

and sound equipment, even.

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Yeah, food and beverages,

you name it. And and we we did it.

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And that was 2000, and one so the the times

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before online payments,

Facebook wasn't even around,

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I think in, in that year.

But we took like a new approach

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and I was bringing everything to

our website.

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So it was not really an online

shop yet.

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and we, we created like package

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standard packages for events.

So if you had like a wedding for

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50 people, you could get the,

the minimum, the, the medium,

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wedding package from us and it would

come with everything with a DJ,

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with light and sound equipment,

with, a couple of other things.

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And, and, yeah,

we would openly advertise our

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prices online, which was,

which was a very unique concept.

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Concept at that time,

everything was still behind

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closed walls, and you had to, call and inquire for a quote

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and then wait a couple of days, and, and we wanted to streamline

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the process and just say, like,

hey, let us know which of those

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standard packages you want and

we will take care of everything.

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to lower our cost and make it more,

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for customers and, and,

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be able to scale that way.

So that's how I started,

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when I was 18 years old.

So, I was usually at parties

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from Wednesday through through

Sunday night.

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So I was the greatest job to

have as a student. Yeah.

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it also became really hard,

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because you always have to work

when everybody else is off. And.

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That's right.

After a few years,

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you've seen it all. That's right.

And we evolved a little bit more

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into the printing side.

So one of the products that we

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offered was, print products.

So like invitations and posters

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and flyers to.

Emotive event, and we saw more and

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more demand from from companies that

had nothing to do with events but are

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still one that are printing products.

Because again,

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we advertise prices openly.

We have standard formats on the

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website, so he didn't have to, inquire about the quote.

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You could just see, like, hey,

a thousand letter format brochures

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would be $150 delivered at your home.

So a lot of companies really

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love that.

So we we pivoted our business a

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little bit into that,

the printing business.

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And it's actually funny if you

think back about that.

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Then I came across an article in

a newspaper and they were talking

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about something new that was

upcoming back then in the US,

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but they were coming to Europe,

and there was a company called

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Google, and no one had ever

heard about Google, but they

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started to sell advertisements

on top of a search engine.

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And I was thinking, yeah, let's,

let's just try it.

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So I invested €50 back in the day

and, and didn't expect so much

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because all our advertising up until

that day was, was ads in newspapers.

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And I saw so much response,

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because of that $50 that I

invested so much more than, than

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the ads that we had in newspapers.

So we were one of the first

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printing companies, online printing

companies in, in Belgium or

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in even Europe that that started

using Google and that really,

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And, this growth was immense.

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And, now, of course,

everybody is doing it, but,

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I think our first, reason why my,

my first business was, was able

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to scale that much was because

of something new that I tried,

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which was Google back then and,

and, yeah, we kept increasing

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budgets and our revenues,

kept on following up to a point

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that we were doing, yeah,

$20 million in,

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in revenue, on a yearly basis.

We opened offices in seven

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countries all over Europe, in 2013, I sold the business.

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retire, and that's. That's not me.

I don't think that's ever going

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to happen, so I wanted to do something

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different.

I had a non-compete,

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so I couldn't do anything in the

print industry anymore.

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So, my first response was,

let's let's go somewhere else and,

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and see how things are going there

to get some inspiration and ideas.

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So I took a plane to,

to Silicon Valley.

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Every big startup,

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was located in Silicon Valley.

So I took a plane there,

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really immersed myself in, in, the environment there.

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It's a couple of startup weekends, visited all those big companies.

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that Silicon Valley is an amazing

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place with an amazing vibe.

Like, everybody was working on

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an idea or a startup or or just

join the startup.

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But I also realized pretty

quickly that it would be very

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hard to start a business there

because it was so expensive.

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getting office space, but also

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you're competing against Facebook

and Google and Apple and all those

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other big companies for, for talent.

And, I came to the conclusion

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that it would actually be a lot

cheaper to, to,

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start even a tech company in other

locations or in Belgium because of

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the salaries being so much lower, and I, I really made a decision

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for myself that I did not want to, raise a capital,

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to start my new business.

So I had done that with my, my,

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We, we raised, some money there,

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and it's a high speed train

that's hard to get off.

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and I could recommend it to everyone,

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but I was at a point in my life that

I wanted to slow down a little bit.

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about kids, moving to,

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to different countries.

So I didn't want to own the

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company 100% myself.

And that would have been very

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hard in that area.

So I drove down a little bit,

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to, to LA to see if there were

any ideas to, to, find there.

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And, and I was staying,

in a, in a small hotel around

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Disneyland in, in Anaheim.

And, that's how I came

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across vacation rentals,

which was something new for me.

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No experience whatsoever.

I've always been interested in

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real estate, but I didn't want to become

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a real estate. An agent.

So I thought vacation rentals.

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nice. People book them online.

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I can use my,

e-commerce background and all

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the experience that that we've

built over the 13 plus years.

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business and apply that to,

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to vacation rentals and then starting

to do some more market research.

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Came to find that Orlando,

is the number one market in the

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US for vacation rentals.

So, they, they even have have

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it trademarked, like the vacation

home capital of the world.

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So there's there's more than 100,000, vacation rentals in the area

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around, Disney.

So I thought even if I can get

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just a very, very small market

share in that area, I'm probably

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going to be still, doing okay.

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that's that's how I arrived here, not knowing anything about

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vacation rentals, I thought by

myself, like how hard can it be?

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laptop and a cocktail, waiting

until someone needed something.

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And so I started with purchasing

a small existing business.

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So I did not start from zero.

And the reason why I didn't want to

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do that is because, first of all,

a completely different country,

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literally 10,000 miles across

the pond, different culture,

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different language, everything.

I had to start from zero and no

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network whatsoever here.

So I thought, hey, let's let's start

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with an existing business and try

to grow it from there, which is,

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I bet me learning everything a lot, faster. So. Okay. Now what?

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What year was that when you

moved to Orlando, 2014.

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Exactly three years ago.

So that's when I started this

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business.

In the beginning, it was just me and.

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And my wife doing everything.

So I did, like the whole office

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side and accounting and marketing.

And my wife took care of the,

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the home.

So she started checking housekeepers

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and making sure that everything

was in good working order and

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clean for the guests to arrive.

So that's how we started thinking,

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to slow down and like,

semi-retired and have a passive,

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And I have to say, I've never,

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ever in my life worked as hard

as the first few years doing

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property management. Management.

I really underestimated it,

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I thought, because before I was

the CEO of a company that we were

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able to grow to, 150 employees,

offices all over Europe,

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production facility in Belgium and,

and in North Africa.

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So pretty decent sized company, not

like major, but, pretty good.

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worked as hard as the first few

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years doing property management.

It's,

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it's 24 over seven and never stops, you get phone calls at 2 a.m..

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At 4 a.m, AC is going down,

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toilets being clogged, yes.

Being locked out, you name it.

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it it I definitely underestimated it.

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And it was hard in the beginning.

Wow. Yeah, that's quite the story.

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I, I, I appreciate you taking us

through that because, I mean,

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coming from Belgium, you know,

and a certain way of life, not even

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being able to start a company until

you're 18, which is kind of crazy.

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when you're born, they give you the

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entrepreneurial card and it's like,

oh, you're not going to you're

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not going to start a business.

Okay, well then you might as

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well move somewhere else.

So I thought that was kind of

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interesting to hear that, but,

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but now that you're here and you've,

you've been in the business,

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take us through those first,

I don't know, 3 to 5 years, I'm.

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What I'm interested to know is,

when did you hit the point where you,

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you said, okay, maybe a tipping

point where you said, okay,

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this is going to be successful.

I can see the forest for the trees.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So,

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as I was mentioning in the beginning,

it wasn't I wasn't that sure it was

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even that bad that after six months I

sat down with my wife and I said,

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like, look, this is just too hard.

This is not what I want to do.

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24 over seven?

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again and look for something else,

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or we, we grow it and scale it so

we can hire people, and we don't

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have to be working 24 seven anymore, so that was around the six month,

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But I did see a lot of similarities

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of my previous business.

There was a lot of consolidation

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going on.

Things were really starting to

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be automated, more broad online.

So I saw a lot of potential,

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in this, industry. And.

And, so we decided to to grow

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the company and, and work hard a

few more years, but with the goal,

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of course, to to grow the team, then we came around,

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another new, tech company,

which was called Airbnb.

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it's obvious you call,

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vacation rentals, even Airbnbs.

But back then,

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no one really had heard of them, they it was not the first year,

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but it was a very niche product

that almost no one was using.

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But I thought, hey, let's let's

just try and see what it does.

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So we were one of the first few

companies on Airbnb in this area,

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and we really saw that market

share from Airbnb growing and

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growing year after year, and that has only accelerated.

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There's there's a lot of property

management management companies,

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especially in the beginning years,

that were a little bit averse,

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of of Airbnb, for the reasons that

you mentioned in the beginning, like,

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and they call themselves Airbnbs

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and they control the guests and the

review system and they determine,

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So a lot of property property

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managers didn't like,

Airbnb and did not have the

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listings on Airbnb either.

They were only on their own

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website and on the older,

sites like Furbo and HomeAway.

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So, that has really helped us

grow and scale and outperform,

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So, first few,

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years, as with any business,

it goes in like a wave form, right?

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So you, you work, you grow,

you make a nice amount of money,

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but then there's the time that

you have to hire, someone,

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and then all of a sudden,

you're you're working again,

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almost for free, because all the

money that you were making before,

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you're now spending on an employee.

But that that gives you the

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opportunity to,

to grow your business more.

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If you don't do that,

you can make a nice amount of money,

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but you will be working,

in the business and you don't have

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time to work on the business.

So I definitely did have that

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vision to to grow us.

So, we, we kept on on doing that.

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plan in place, did a lot of

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marketing, used all those online, and e-commerce tactics,

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which almost no one was, was really, doing because a lot of these

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property management companies

were doing it old school ways

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when I purchased the business, ten years ago, which, which,

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but they were still using faxes,

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so guests had to,

fill out a word document and fax

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it back with their information.

And I hadn't seen a fax in in

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ten years. So.

Yeah, just to show or prove the

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point that a lot of these

companies were still operating the

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same way as they were operating

20 years ago or 30 years ago.

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software to work more efficiently, to be able to do more with,

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with less people, offering a

lower costs, no barriers.

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We we also removed all the barriers.

So if, if you join us,

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there's no setup cost.

A lot of companies were charging

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a setup cost.

Hey, if you join us, maybe $1,500 for

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the photoshoot and to get there.

Yeah, yeah, we removed that.

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We we said, hey, we're going to

invest in that for you because we

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really believe, that we can, do a great job for you.

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And then you got to stay with us and,

and, to, to prove it, we're

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going to take that investment on us, we also got rid of of

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management fees.

A lot of companies still,

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up until today,

charge a monthly management fee.

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bookings or they don't do anything

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for you, you still pay them,

like 100 or $200 a month just to be,

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So got rid of that.

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So our, our cost model is very

simple now for owners.

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So we charge 20% commission on

all the bookings we bring in.

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And the reason why that was very

important for me to do with that way

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is, because our, our interest

would be aligned with the owners.

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I was one day sitting at the,

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at the competitors office,

and we were talking in his office,

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and all of a sudden the phone, rang and, and he told me,

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you know what this is?

I said, no, yeah,

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someone is calling you.

He said, this is the sound of money.

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Every time I get a phone call,

I know there's an issue, and I'm

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going to go there and I'm going to

charge the owner to fix the issue,

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and I'm going to make money.

And I'm like.

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This is actually so wrong.

It shouldn't be that way.

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You should be making money for

the owner.

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And if you get a share of that,

that's that's fine.

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But you should not be making money, on the owner's, expense.

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So we, we got rid of, of up charges

on maintenance fees and bills.

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So if there is a bill,

it's it's unavoidable.

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At some point something's going

to break.

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But we don't want to have an

incentive of repairing things in your

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home when it's unnecessary or,

charging you for, maintenance

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services that are not absolutely

necessary because it's going to,

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So we we just said, hey, we're going

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to do away with all, up charges, we only going to focus on on

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the commission on bookings.

So the more bookings we bring in,

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the more money we make.

If there are any expenses,

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we want to have it done as as quick

and efficient as possible because

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we're also losing money on it.

If we have to call a vendor and

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schedule them, we're losing money because

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we're not getting paid for that.

So we want to be preventive.

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We want to avoid things from

happening in the first place so

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that it doesn't cost us money.

And then it also doesn't cost

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the owner money.

So that's that's the concept

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which was, relatively new, it sounds all very logical,

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but, it was the exact opposite.

A lot of property management

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companies did bookings,

but still remember most home

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owners were second home owners,

so it wasn't their main priority.

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They were happy to get bookings,

but their main priority was that

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their home was taken care of.

And we switched that around and

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and really, yeah,

made a shift in, in this market.

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And that has helped us,

grow and become one of the biggest

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players in the area. Yeah.

It sounds like you, you,

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you did again. Now what?

Hindsight logically sounds like

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the right play, but you just aligned your

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interests with their interest

and and everyone wins.

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So the retention is going to be

there.

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So I'm curious, you know,

back in the early days of getting in

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there and kind of, you know,

writing the ship, you know, obviously

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not taking fax faxes anymore.

How did you go and find customers?

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So, I pretty quickly realized, that 80% of our bookings were

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coming from our top four channels.

So when I took over the existing

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business,

they were paying subscriptions,

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you have probably never heard of

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and that are no longer around, but their, their idea was,

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our properties by being on all

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those different channels,

the more bookings we're going to get.

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Now it's it's a lot of work to

have your properties on all those

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different, websites because

you have to get into agreements

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with them and upload photos.

Back in the days,

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it wasn't that automated, so I did an analysis and I

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saw like, hey, if I focus on that

top four, the top four channels,

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and I do better on those channels

than what we're doing right now,

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because the previous owner

didn't really have time to fully

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optimize those those channels

and really master them.

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do a lot more business than, than

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being on on 40 different websites

that that no one has heard of.

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So what I did is I just canceled

all my subscriptions on all

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those websites and kept focusing

on the top four.

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And and that was the right thing

to do.

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Like I said, no one really understood

Airbnb very well that day.

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So I really dove into it and,

and and yeah, you saw the

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results right away. Booking.com.

Another thing,

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if you really understand the

type of customers that you have,

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how to use the software, how to

optimize your listings. That's right.

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You can do so much more with it.

And then instead of just placing them

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online and waiting for a booking.

So, that that is definitely one

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of the big shifts, that we've

done that were very successful.

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Yeah, it sounds like it that,

that, that sounds like it makes

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a lot of sense.

And, you know,

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speaking of knowing your customer,

who is your target audience?

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I would assume that, you know,

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you can't really serve everyone, and I noticed that you have,

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your website if people were to

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book through your website, so I'm curious who who do you

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specifically do you have, like a

niche? Do you go after? Yeah, yeah.

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So we are, managing homes right

now in Orlando, in Miami and Aruba,

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which are three completely different

types of, of destinations.

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So Orlando is what they call a

resort market.

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Aruba is, yeah.

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Beach destination.

So, but just to come back,

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our main customers are the owners,

the home owners,

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and a lot of people,

even in our industry get that wrong.

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They, they think like, oh, we need, we need guests,

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to grow our business, which is true,

of course, but we serve the owners

431

00:28:43,910 --> 00:28:48,050

to the guests to serve the owners.

The better job we do.

432

00:28:48,050 --> 00:28:50,930, for the guests, the higher

the reviews are going to be.

433

00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:54,200

The higher rate of charge so

that the owners get better.

434

00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,910

So, obviously each of those

three destinations has different

435

00:28:58,910 --> 00:29:01,040

demographics.

So in Orlando,

436

00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:06,710

it's it's very family oriented,

but we also manage around 120 homes

437

00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:11,900

in, in a resort right next to the

convention center here in Orlando.

438

00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:14,180

And it's a completely different

market.

439

00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:17,510

It's still Orlando,

but there we target B2B travelers

440

00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:23,780

and it's doing very, very well.

Plus also, people visiting

441

00:29:23,780 --> 00:29:27,410

Universal Studios, which is again,

a different demographic than

442

00:29:27,410 --> 00:29:31,970

than people visiting Disney.

So it's really like laser

443

00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:36,200

targeted on. Yeah.

Depending on on the area, Miami,

444

00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,370

you have a little bit of a

combination of B2B travel,

445

00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:44,330

city trippers and, and,

just people that want to party.

446

00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:48,800, Uber is is usually an older

demographic,

447

00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,570

a lot of repeat business,

people that, want to,

448

00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:57,200

you know, snowbirds basically

that want to leave the, the,

449

00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,000

the cold north northern states and, spend some time in,

450

00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,850

in the tropical island of Aruba.

So, it's completely different.

451

00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:11,150, well,

we we don't have a specific niche.

452

00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:16,250, what we,

what we target is as broad as a

453

00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:20,780

as a demographic as as possible.

So, we are not in the very,

454

00:30:20,780 --> 00:30:23,600

very high end,

multi-million dollar mansions.

455

00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,370

We're also not in the,

motel six low end market.

456

00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:33,380

And we're we're in the mid segment, affordable for most,

457

00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:38,420

and and good quality, but without

like, crazy, expensive.

458

00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:42,770

So we want to target as many

guests as, as we can,

459

00:30:42,770 --> 00:30:46,850

and optimize the revenue for

owners as much as possible.

460

00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:51,410

So it sounds like you are really

seeking to understand, you know what?

461

00:30:51,410 --> 00:30:55,850

Your, homeowners want to get out

of their property, first, and

462

00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:58,640

then you're going to the platforms

which you have a background in, and

463

00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,680

you've been able to apply that there, to optimize those listings,

464

00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:06,740, so that you can really

achieve what it is that the,

465

00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:10,250

the homeowners want through the

guests that they're booking through.

466

00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,130

Am I getting that right? Yeah. Yeah.

So a lot of owners,

467

00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:16,070

if they have kids themselves,

they're they're probably gonna

468

00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:21,410

design and furnish their home.

They're a little bit more focused on

469

00:31:21,410 --> 00:31:24,980

on kids and that's that's great,

especially in the Orlando area.

470

00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:28,310

And we can also advise

homeowners what they should do

471

00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:33,680

where the the most demand is.

Now, if, if you, if you don't

472

00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,270

have kids and you're more,

focused on, on your own enjoyment.

473

00:31:38,270 --> 00:31:42,110

Well, we have a lot of,

of golfers coming to the area to

474

00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:46,340

so you can focus your, your home

more on, on sports people and,

475

00:31:46,340 --> 00:31:51,650

and have a pool table and and and,

yeah. More and more games.

476

00:31:51,650 --> 00:31:55,430 in, in the,

in the property that are targeted to,

477

00:31:55,460 --> 00:31:58,100

to older people.

So, we,

478

00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:02,300

we can work with about whatever, the owner's preferences.

479

00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:06,380, of course, we, we can give them

advice because we have so much data.

480

00:32:06,380 --> 00:32:09,980, and, and we see what's,

what's going on in the market.

481

00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:13,880

An example here is like,

pet friendly homes.

482

00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,660, if you look in in Orlando,

like I mentioned, there's,

483

00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:22,190

there's 100,000 vacation homes, so if you have one home, you're

484

00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:26,510

in a list of 100,000 competitors.

But if you click the the box

485

00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:29,900

like pet friendly homes,

it goes down to 10,000.

486

00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:33,260

So all of a sudden you only have

10,000, competitors.

487

00:32:33,260 --> 00:32:37,490

So even though you may not have a

pet or not necessarily like,

488

00:32:37,670 --> 00:32:42,410, having dogs in your home from a

financial standpoint, and for an

489

00:32:42,410 --> 00:32:46,670

investor, it makes so much sense to

accept the pets in in your home.

490

00:32:46,670 --> 00:32:51,050

So and that's a great thing that we, seen the last, let's say,

491

00:32:51,050 --> 00:32:53,930

five years,

we really have seen that shift from

492

00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:57,890

second home owners to investors.

A lot of, of people,

493

00:32:57,890 --> 00:33:01,910

that we get as our customers now,

they, they just say like, hey,

494

00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:05,480

tell me exactly what I need to do and

I will do. The home is not for me.

495

00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,290

The home is just to get the return, it's an investment.

496

00:33:09,380 --> 00:33:13,820

So I do whatever you advise,

and and that works great, of course,

497

00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:17,570

because then we can can really

optimize those homes to,

498

00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:20,450

get the most revenue for them.

Yeah. That's amazing.

499

00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:23,780

That makes so much sense.

So now, current day,

500

00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:26,900

as you're growing your business,

how do you get in front of new

501

00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:33,590

homeowners to add to your your mix?

So, it's it's, yeah,

502

00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:37,220

that's marketing. Right?

There's a lot of different things,

503

00:33:37,220 --> 00:33:41,120, that we do maybe a couple of,

of highlights,

504

00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,260

or the things that, that generate

the most awareness for us.

505

00:33:45,410 --> 00:33:50,540, the good old direct mail, still works amazingly.

506

00:33:50,540 --> 00:33:55,850

I love that even in 2024,

printed, paper,

507

00:33:55,850 --> 00:34:01,460

it still works. It's it's funny.

Now, it's not like I think a lot

508

00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:04,250

of of business owners think, oh,

let's let's try it.

509

00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:07,220

And they do one, direct mail.

And then they're sitting there and

510

00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:11,990

waiting for all the calls to come in.

And that's not how it, that's not

511

00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:16,400

how it works to do it consistent

and do it over and over again.

512

00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,370

And it's funny,

sometimes we have owners walking

513

00:34:19,370 --> 00:34:23,420

into our office with a direct mail

in their hand from two years ago.

514

00:34:23,420 --> 00:34:26,870

So we've been mailing them like two,

two years in a row.

515

00:34:26,870 --> 00:34:29,690

They never responded,

they never showed any interest.

516

00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:33,800

But we were still like like,

yeah, in their mind.

517

00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,200

But they may have been happy

with their current property

518

00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,260

management company at that time,

or there may have not been a need.

519

00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:43,250

But then something happens and

as long as you stay top of mind,

520

00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:46,280

they can say, oh, yeah,

that company that sent me all

521

00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,580

those direct mail.

So let's see if they would be an

522

00:34:49,580 --> 00:34:52,670

option.

So repeating repeating that

523

00:34:52,670 --> 00:34:56,180

that's the the key here.

So direct mail works very well.

524

00:34:56,180 --> 00:35:02,960

We are also scoring really well, on the SEO side for Airbnb

525

00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,160

management in Orlando where

number one search results on

526

00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,280

vacation home management.

So we invest a lot in that.

527

00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,450

We have ads, and,

probably the most business we,

528

00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:18,200

we get from referrals.

So we try to partner up with

529

00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,550

real estate professionals, real estate agents,

530

00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:27,560

but also pool cleaning companies, interior design companies,

531

00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:33,080, accounting, sure.

So those people all get to the

532

00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,830

owners, a lot of times

before we even get to them or

533

00:35:36,830 --> 00:35:40,490

they know them and, and,

they refer business to, to them.

534

00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:45,140

So we, we pay, referral fees

for anyone that brings us a home

535

00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:48,830

that signs up to the program, and, yeah,

536

00:35:48,830 --> 00:35:52,610

that works really well.

Building those relationships is,

537

00:35:52,610 --> 00:35:57,500

I think, the most important. Sure.

How is it on the paid ads side?

538

00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:00,260

I know you're doing direct mail,

but are you running Google ads?

539

00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:02,750

Facebook ads?

You know, have you experimented

540

00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:05,870

with that? So yeah, we.

We definitely have done that.

541

00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:09,920

Of course, that was the first thing

I've done after my experience

542

00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,270

with my previous business,

which grew so much thanks to Google.

543

00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:20,120

But what we pretty quickly

realized is that Orlando is

544

00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:25,100

probably the most competitive

market in the whole country for,

545

00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:29,210, for Google and Facebook ads,

you you don't only have every

546

00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:33,860

single hotel chain in the world

that has has some hotels here,

547

00:36:33,860 --> 00:36:36,530

usually more than one.

But you're also competing

548

00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:40,520

against Disney,

against universal itself,

549

00:36:41,090 --> 00:36:47,090

and 100,000 other vacation rentals.

So we realized that Google ads,

550

00:36:47,090 --> 00:36:52,220

here do not really work, for us.

So we're really focusing on the

551

00:36:52,220 --> 00:36:55,220

booking channels like Booking.com,

Airbnb.

552

00:36:55,340 --> 00:37:00,620

They usually charge an average

around 15 to to 18% commission

553

00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:03,380

on the bookings that they,

bring in to us.

554

00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:08,570, and we've done our numbers

and that's cheaper than what we

555

00:37:08,570 --> 00:37:12,530

would invest in, in, SEO.

So that's why we,

556

00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:16,700

we decided to focus for,

for guests at least, on, on the

557

00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:20,180

booking channels that are out there, we do SEO,

558

00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:24,140

but we don't do paid advertising, and, for owners,

559

00:37:24,140 --> 00:37:27,080

we do a little bit of both.

We do remarketing.

560

00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,910, we do paid advertising based

on very specific, keywords.

561

00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:36,260, and yeah, that works.

So that works well too. Yeah.

562

00:37:36,260 --> 00:37:40,130

I, I would imagine you have to have, almost kind of an Omni

563

00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:43,970

campaign going where you have

all the different layers,

564

00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:47,390

you know, coordinated and not,

as you said, use direct mail.

565

00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:49,160

It makes a lot of sense.

You have to have online and

566

00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,680

offline working and it's great.

Do you have the background in print,

567

00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,010

too? So you know. Yeah, you know, how to not get taken on

568

00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:59,570

that. So as we move forward, as.

Is, like all our homeowners have

569

00:37:59,570 --> 00:38:02,450

a home here,

but they live all around the world.

570

00:38:02,450 --> 00:38:06,110

So you cannot really say, like,

hey, let's target the Orlando area.

571

00:38:06,110 --> 00:38:08,780

That's right. They're not here.

That's why they need us.

572

00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:11,510

If they would live down the street,

they could manage the property

573

00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:15,140

themselves if they wanted to.

But they live in Brazil. In Europe?

574

00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:17,960

Yes, in, northern side of,

of the US.

575

00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,560

So, yeah, we really need to work

very targeted and.

576

00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:26,670

Direct mail is ideal, there, because we can get those

577

00:38:26,670 --> 00:38:30,240

records from the the property

appraisers website and target them.

578

00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,080

We don't get a phone number or an

email address in most counties, but

579

00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,520

we do have a mailing address. Yeah.

So then as you look forward to

580

00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,350

growing this business,

what are your plans in 2024, 25,

581

00:38:43,350 --> 00:38:47,760

26, and you know what?

What does it look like for,

582

00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,180

Casella? Yeah. So.

Yeah, over the years,

583

00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:55,980

we expanded into a few different,

destinations, especially after Covid.

584

00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:59,400

We saw how important it was to

diversify.

585

00:38:59,430 --> 00:39:03,240

Orlando got hit, like,

really hard because of Covid.

586

00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:07,020, even when, like,

travel restarted and and

587

00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:11,400

vacation homes were killing it, Orlando was was as good as,

588

00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,980

as that, still, because everybody

589

00:39:13,980 --> 00:39:17,910

wanted to go to the mountains or

to coastal area away from other

590

00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:22,320

people no one really wanted to spend

time with, with 80,000 other people

591

00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,130

in a theme park back in the day.

So we we saw the need, like, hey,

592

00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:29,340

we need to diversify into different, areas.

593

00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:34,230

And that's also, our strategy, moving forward for the future.

594

00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:39,030

So we want to expand the reach into, more destinations.

595

00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:43,950

Now, we also realized that,

running operations, local operations

596

00:39:43,950 --> 00:39:48,240

is really, really hard, especially

if you're not, there.

597

00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:52,590

So, doing it all from

Orlando and opening up,

598

00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:56,640

destination across the country is,

is going to be as good as, as

599

00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:02,040

impossible or very, very expensive.

So, last year we decided to

600

00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,110

go the franchise route.

So where we started the franchise.

601

00:40:07,110 --> 00:40:09,210

So that's that's what we're

doing now.

602

00:40:09,210 --> 00:40:14,070

So we're looking for like minded

entrepreneurs that that love the

603

00:40:14,070 --> 00:40:17,910

industry, that have a feeling, for, for hospitality.

604

00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:21,270

And I love that personal contact

with the owners and with guests.

605

00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:24,960

But I don't necessarily want to

do all the marketing and the

606

00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,380

revenue management and the

distribution and the accounting.

607

00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:32,100

So that's where we come in.

So we want to do everything that

608

00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:35,730

we can do, centralize to just

streamline it, make it more

609

00:40:35,730 --> 00:40:39,510

efficient and and cheaper.

And then having like a local

610

00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:44,940

business owner in each area,

with a team of course, as they grow,

611

00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:50,190, taking care of the home owners,

the, the guests and the homes itself.

612

00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:54,690

So that's that's our strategy now, for the next few years.

613

00:40:55,170 --> 00:40:57,330

I like that a lot.

And it makes perfect sense when you

614

00:40:57,330 --> 00:40:59,820

say it, because I'm sitting here

listening to your story and I'm

615

00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:05,820

thinking, wow, you have now these

banks of knowledge and experience and

616

00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:12,150

information and, data points

and you have you have more data and

617

00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:16,440

Intel now that can be leveraged, but I'm, I'm trying to

618

00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,040

connect the dots on how to how to

leverage it without getting into

619

00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,380

a completely other bit, you know,

new business, like, for example,

620

00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:25,620

you know, a lot about how to reach

guests and reach homeowners,

621

00:41:25,620 --> 00:41:28,890

which is a very tricky,

very complicated thing to do,

622

00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:31,650, since they don't live

necessarily in those homes.

623

00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:35,310

And so knowing how to do that and

do it well and have it optimized,

624

00:41:35,310 --> 00:41:38,790, for return is valuable.

But I, I'm as you're talking,

625

00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:41,550

I'm thinking, well,

then where where do you apply that.

626

00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:44,400

So the franchise model makes

perfect sense because it allows

627

00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,420

you to stay in your business,

and share that with, with new

628

00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:52,260

people who also have a passion for

hospitality. So I love that idea.

629

00:41:52,650 --> 00:41:55,980

Yeah. No, absolutely, we are our first venture

630

00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:59,880

outside of Orlando was Aruba, and we partner up there with,

631

00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,520

with local,

small property manager.

632

00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,680

They were managing around 12 to

to to 15 homes and they were

633

00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,770

like stuck at that level.

They, they grew a little bit, but

634

00:42:10,770 --> 00:42:15,810

then it became too much and they had

to scale down because they couldn't

635

00:42:15,810 --> 00:42:18,870

really handle it anymore because

they didn't have the processes

636

00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:23,100

in place to, to really scale.

But now we partner up,

637

00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:27,210

we did exactly what I just explained

and with our branding and, and,

638

00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:30,660

and, knowledge and, and team

that we have here in Orlando,

639

00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:36,060

we were able to scale them from

those, 12 to 15 properties

640

00:42:36,060 --> 00:42:39,810

all the way to 100 properties in,

in less than two years.

641

00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:42,300

And they're now one of the

premier property management

642

00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:46,080

companies in Aruba.

That would have taken them probably a

643

00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,160

few more years doing it on their own.

So it it really works.

644

00:42:50,250 --> 00:42:53,430

Well, they're we're doing the

same in Miami now.

645

00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:57,390

And we think we can help a lot

of other, business owners

646

00:42:57,390 --> 00:43:02,400

and Airbnb hosts, to do the

same in their area. I love it.

647

00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,120

Well, hey, this has been,

very exciting for me to learn

648

00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,340

about your whole story and how

this came together.

649

00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:11,850

Congrats on all the success and what

you have planned for the future.

650

00:43:12,270 --> 00:43:14,610, if I,

if we put in the description

651

00:43:14,610 --> 00:43:18,360

information for people to reach you,

how can they reach you? Yeah.

652

00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,390

Know they can reach out to me by

by email with.

653

00:43:21,490 --> 00:43:25,750

Will at my email address,

in the description and by LinkedIn.

654

00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:29,440

If you want to know more about

vacation rentals and everything

655

00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,430

that that's going on, feel

free to to follow me on LinkedIn.

656

00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:37,340

All right. That sounds good.

Thanks. Thanks again, Dennis.

657

00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:41,360

And. We'll talk to you soon.

Thank you. Pleasure being here.

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