How Brands Can Actually Be Relevant Culturally with Hernan Tagliani, CEO of The Group Advertising

Join our host, Lee Murray in the latest episode of the CEO series as he sits down with Hernan Tagliani, CEO of The Group Advertising. Together, they explore the intricacies of multicultural advertising, emphasizing the importance of cultural resonance in brand campaigns. Moving beyond simple translation, they advocate for authentic connections with diverse audiences. They also highlight the agency's commitment to building strong client-relationships and emphasize the importance of expertise in niche markets.

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It's not just a simple switch of

language that we constantly see

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many times.

Let's just translate English to

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Spanish and put it on on

national Hispanic TV.

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But then the results are not there.

Well, you'd be, frankly. All right.

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Welcome back to Exploring Growth, today I'm excited to be

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interviewing Hernan Tagliani,

who is a CEO of the group

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advertising here in Central Florida.

Welcome to the podcast, Hernan.

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Now, thank you for having me.

Pleasure to be here today.

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So on my search for CEOs to

interview, I wanted to find a

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company that was in the business

of creating brand campaigns

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because I know this is, you know,

such an important way to connect

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with brands, with audiences.

And when I came across your,

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your company, I thought this would be

a really interesting conversation.

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So I'm excited to have you on today.

I want to learn a little bit

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about your company and talk about

how you think about content,

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brand and then growth.

Overall, as I know you,

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you meet with a lot of companies

and help them with growth.

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little bit about what is the group

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advertising, company and who's

your target buyer for. Fantastic.

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So we have been in business for

18 years.

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The group advertising is a national,

full service, multicultural

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advertising and digital agency.

We started as a Hispanic

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advertising agency.

And as the market is growing,

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is evolving, and then clients

demands and needs are shifting,

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more into the multicultural arena, that's how we are transforming

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into multicultural doing campaigns, for different audiences,

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you know, AA, LGBTQ, Hispanics,

that we're very strong on that.

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And at the same time,

general market as well.

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in how to see one of the greatest

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sales opportunities next to the

general market, in this case,

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within the multicultural arena.

Hispanic market is the one who

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is driving the, the growth, so that's how we're kind of like

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our niche of expertise in helping

brands to be successful with their

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approach to have the right content,

the right message, the culture,

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engage, with this audience

effectively and efficiently.

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I like that I'm looking at your

website and it said I have to

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refresh it.

It said, we believe culture is

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more important than language.

We make brands culturally relevant.

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And I couldn't agree more, you know, my,

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my perspective on culture is just

in the times that I've traveled to

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other countries where you're immersed

in a culture that is not your own.

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And, I've,

I learned pretty quickly that

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language is very important, but

understanding the language is just

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sort of the gateway into the culture, you know, I'd have an interpreter

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that would go with me and,

and time after time, if I could just

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learn a few words in that language,

they would appreciate it so much,

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even if I botched it, but but more so what it was

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was them seeing that I was

respecting their culture.

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you know, forefront on your site to,

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to say all of that.

Because I do think that culture is,

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we're at today, more so than we

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have ever been when it comes to

marketing and advertising.

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And we have to understand the culture

of the people that we're trying to

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reach, more through and through.

So, so talk to us a little bit

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more about culture.

I mean, what when you when you

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approach a client and you put

together a campaign,

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where do you start?

Well, first we start by understanding

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the needs, the challenges

that the client is facing in the

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current market, where they are

now and where they want to be.

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And what are those, you know,

short term and long term goals?

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of that and especially,

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for example, let's let's be,

let's talk about Hispanic market,

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that maybe they reach out to us

to reach the Hispanic market is

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understanding the consumers and that

whether they are currently doing

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business with them or they're not, so it's understanding the

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consumer's DNA that one's needs, desire.

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by analyzing the market and

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analyzing the consumer.

That's why the market research

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plays a very crucial and

important role in this process.

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and qualitative market research,

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to help you to develop the right

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strategy to engage in this case,

for example, with Latinos.

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I would say that 98% of the time,

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sometimes you think, okay, well, this

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is a multibillion dollar company,

they have their stuff together.

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They know what needs to be done.

But what is very surprising to me

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is when it comes, for example,

to Hispanics, most of. A time.

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There's no market research that

has been done.

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research to dictate what they're

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going to be doing for African

Americans or for Hispanics.

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And we're mixing here apples and

oranges. Right?

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So, because they see the market

more on a language standpoint than a

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time of execution, and their culture

is more important than that language.

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So understanding your consumer

DNA is one need desire,

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those passion points where you can

introduce and present your brand.

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very strong component of this.

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And that's where we always like

to start.

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in the corporate world,

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which also excites me because things

are changing and, and are evolving.

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And as I was sharing with you before,

there's no progress without change.

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So change is inevitable.

And, the sense was already,

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you know, at the present time,

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42% of all consumers in America

are multicultural.

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And by 2028,

that number will jump to 47%.

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millennials at the same time,

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25% Hispanics, Gen Z, over 52% is

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multicultural and 27% Hispanics.

So useful diversity is becoming

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the counterweight of white Asian

consumers.

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And in a nutshell, brands.

They need to get on this wagon.

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If not,

they're going to be too late. Yeah.

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understanding.

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Your, consumer journey,

your consumers,

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passion points once needs and desire.

Their culture,

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is not just a simple switch of

language that we constantly see.

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Many times just translate

English to Spanish and put it on

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on national Hispanic TV.

But then the results are not there.

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Well, you'd be, frankly,

very frankly that not there you

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will get some type of engagement.

But the return on investment and

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the growth and the results that

you're looking for is not there

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because you do not have a strategy, created specifically to,

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these type of consumers. Yeah.

The the thought that comes to mind is

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a brand being culturally tone deaf.

And I'm, I'm curious if you

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could give us an example of,

you know, executing on that.

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So like what's an example of where

you've seen a brand and I'm sure

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there's a ton of examples of,

of tone deafness in the, in the

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market of just literally, you know,

Google translating into Spanish and

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just putting it out there, but maybe,

maybe a success where, where a brand,

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maybe on your leadership is said,

okay, we're going to take a couple

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extra steps here instead of just

translating this, we're going to

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actually think about what this

product does or how it feels or what

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it how it comes across to our back,

that particular culture.

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So look, there are many brands

right now nationally that they

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are taking the lead.

I strongly believe they're doing

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a good job.

Of course, such as Walmart is

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one of them, target one of them,

AT&T is another one. McDonald's.

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It's another one forward, however, when it comes to

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investment, marketing, investment

allocated to minority consumers,

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there's still a huge discrepancy, according to the Association of

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Hispanic Advertising Agencies,

when it comes to Hispanic market,

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overall across the board is 7% of

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your overall marketing dollars

goes to Hispanic market when the

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reality is, you know, right now,

Latinos, they represent a

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little over 23% of the population.

And and that's where the growth is

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coming from, the multicultural base.

Yeah. So so, you know.

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And it's only growing from there

from my observation.

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I mean, it's not slowing down.

Yeah. There's no going away.

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Let's put it that way.

Whether some politicians wants

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to change history or or change

the stories, they are not going

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away right now is, third,

fourth generation Hispanics more

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than 70 or 50%, 55%.

They're already a third

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generation Hispanic, you're dealing with a

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Hispanic consumer that is

bilingual by culture.

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higher level of education.

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crossing the border, watch the news.

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And politicians, they love to talk

about that because it benefits

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them for ratings and and for

political purposes. But. Right.

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You know, only one third of the

population in the United States,

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is foreign born. 75% is us born, so they're already embedded

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into middle to upper class,

higher household income,

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higher level education. So.

That's where the money is,

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and that's where,

part of what I do is part of my job

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is to educate marketers and CEOs that

this is a huge business opportunity.

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They're just leaving on the table,

you know?

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That's exactly what I'm sitting

here thinking, is that.

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How hard is it to educate these

clients that how much they're

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leaving on the table?

It's hard, believe me, it's hard.

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It's just depend on how willing

they're, able to embrace,

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you know, change, you know, just.

I always tell them,

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just look at the market.

You're doing business right now.

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retail store, you know, just pull

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the demographic pull demographic.

What percentage of your customers

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in that particular story?

Hispanics, and what percentage of

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that DMA or the zip codes five miles

from your stores are Hispanics.

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And, you know, if you have a

little over a 15% or 20%,

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that is Hispanic and only 3% of

your customers are Hispanics.

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Hey, you have a huge growth

opportunity that you're not

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talking to an audience that is

very strong where you are doing

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business with this. That's right.

It's,

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it's just a lot of common sense.

It's just sometimes, you know,

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common sense is not common anymore, people tend to complicate

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things more than they are.

And also, believe it or not,

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it's a lot of personal bias,

right, that's the reality.

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Yes. Okay. Well, that's helpful.

You know, and you,

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you gave us this insight into how

you get started with a client.

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Now,

let's dig a little bit deeper into

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the process of creating messaging.

So I know, you know,

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having a content agency that the

copy underneath the video,

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what you're saying in the video,

you know, that the messaging is, is

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really the pointy end of the spear.

That's where you're really going

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to communicate what it is that

is compelling to the audience.

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And it translates the vision for

the company.

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So how do you approach with your

client work that process of

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creating compelling messaging

for these brand campaigns?

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Well, it starts first of all.

But we tell the client, hey,

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we do not translate campaigns.

We don't translate English to

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Spanish. Why?

Because when you translate,

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you are basically forcing a strategy

and a message that from the get

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go was created and crafted for a

totally different demographic

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and psychographic. Agreed.

So by switching to language and

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then keeping your finger crossed

and hoping that it work is not

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going to create the results

you're looking for.

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So what we do is we try and

create campaigns.

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What that means is that we create a

communication campaign appealing to,

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in this case,

the Hispanic core values,

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respecting the overall strategy

coming from the general market.

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So how we position your brand the

same way, but in a relevant way, that

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the message has been created for them

until then and speak to their needs.

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So look and feel of your campaign,

let's say if it is printed or if

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it is TV spot, it has to have the

same look and feel same elements.

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What it change is the, you know,

the imagery change, the execution.

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That has to be culturally relevant, you know,

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sometimes we deal with clients that, they have their own agency,

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the majority. They do.

Sometimes they have in-house

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agencies.

And the biggest concerns when we

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start talking with their agents is

you're going to change my campaign.

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No, no, no,

we're not changing your campaign.

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And you see the ad in English

and Spanish has to have that art

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direction,

that look and feel of the brand,

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that we will respect what we're

going to be changing the execution,

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translating to Spanish and put a

person that looks Hispanic. Yes.

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I'm gonna get you anywhere, and we see it all the times.

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You know, sometimes, yes.

We talk to people that they are like,

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well, we want to reach a more

affluent, Hispanics,

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or a more, millennial, so they speak English, so I don't

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need to do anything with my campaign.

And the reality is incorrect.

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you do it in, in English, because

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it's not about just one language.

You know, as I said before,

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you have to learn Spanish and

you have to do it in English,

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depending on the audience,

age break bracket that you're

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trying to to reach the message is

what it has to resonate to them.

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The messages has to be culturally

relevant, whether you're doing

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English or whether you know,

in Spanish, because if not,

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we're saying that Australians and

Americans are the same because

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they speak English. Right?

Yeah, but campaign in Australia

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won't resonate to an American.

So adjustments you had to make.

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comes to, Hispanics.

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is we transcript campaign we do

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not translate them.

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seeing in the corporate world that.

Or translation base.

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And believe me,

we have seen so many, very,

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The fusions. Right.

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I think,

when you look at the campaign,

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they are in English and they

looked at translation in Spanish,

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and I'm okay, I get it.

What you're trying to tell me here.

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Yes, but when you put it in Spanish,

it just doesn't make sense at all,

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you know?

Yeah, it's it's interesting,

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you know, this conversation.

Because what it makes me think

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is not only that the opportunity

that's left on the table,

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but the negative, the negative,

disparaging, behaviors that

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they're doing to their brand,

they're making their brand look less.

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You know, enticing to that audience,

because the audience knows right

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away that this flow,

that was a second thought.

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They made this for a different

audience.

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But I was the second choice.

And that's going to not

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necessarily make now,

if the price is right and the

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convenience is right and all that,

they may still buy the product, but

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it's not going to make them choose a

new one to become a market leader.

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Yeah,

they're going to go to the things

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that they feel more connected to.

Yeah, yeah. And you, you're spot on.

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You said, an afterthought.

And that's how most of the time

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brands they see minority groups is

just an afterthought execution.

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But if we look at the statistic

that I just share with you, the

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growth will come from multicultural, it cannot be an afterthought

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anymore. No.

You know, you definitely you

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need to pay attention to where

the growth is coming.

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And, at the end of the day,

you know, it's not about spending

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more money because you don't want

to outspend your competitors.

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You want to outsmart your

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So it's by putting your marketing

dollars in exactly where those

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areas of growth are coming, just keep doing the same thing

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and selecting a different result.

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You know, that's that's not not going

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And, you know,

speaking about connection, I,

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I'm very fascinated with that word

these days because I think that

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that there's such a lack of there's

such a disconnect in certain with

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certain brands and especially when

we're talking about multicultural

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advertising and messaging.

How do you approach connecting a

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brand with a different culture

that they may not necessarily be?

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It may be a secondary market for

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Well, it definitely is by

understanding, first of all,

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the culture of the company,

their overall vision,

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where what are they trying to do

and then overlap that with what

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are the similarities or what we

call passion points that maybe

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that vision of the organization

already have, but they haven't

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communicated to these audiences.

Maybe they did it for the general

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market, but for Hispanic market,

maybe they haven't,

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or for AA they haven't.

So it's honing and understanding what

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are those angles of introducing the

brand, where we can present it in a

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way that is part of that lifestyle,

of that consumer that will make a

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difference at the end of the day, the way we're living right now,

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and especially with,

technology that, you know,

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they're saying that,

advertising is not anymore about

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the products you sell, but the

story you tell, and technology,

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according to sociologists, created a

manner of cultural connectivity.

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So millennials and Gen Z, at this

point, they care less of the product

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that you have to offer or you sell.

It's more about the experience.

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Yes, that you offer.

And that experience starts,

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especially going to your website

the first time and then how you

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carry that experience through

the whole process of purchasing

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your product. Right?

How you carry that on in your

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message, in your ad campaigns,

in the way that company communicate

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internally with their employees and

externally, through social media.

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And then after that,

consumers purchase that.

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Then how do you keep that

consumer engaged? Right.

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You know, but part of what you do

provide relevant content to them.

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Engagement, that's where I see,

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still a discrepancy on there.

So tied in the CEOs and marketers,

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quota, the goals,

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just making the purchase to sell,

but they forget about it after that.

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And and that's where it's going to

continue fueling your business.

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You know, it's cheaper than selling

more products to your existing

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clients and asking for referrals,

then running an ad campaign for

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new customers.

You don't even know ahead of

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what you're doing. Yes, but this is the the the

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we're we're going through a

moment of transformation,

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on a on a marketing standpoint,

on society overall.

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And that's why I personally

believe we're shifting away from

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the transactional marketing.

To the brand experiential,

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how you make that consumer feel

from the first day they interact

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with your brand. Yeah, you know the same sometimes

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I see companies using Google

Translate in their website.

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That's the first thing that you

can do.

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and sometimes, you know, they even

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translate names of companies that

they shouldn't be translated. Right.

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relevant content in your site,

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that is massaged in a point of view

that truly appeal to the cultural

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nuances, of those audiences.

That's how you make it more personal,

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more engaging,

and people get feeling okay.

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He took the time to understand me, it truly speak to my needs.

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brand for what they're doing, how

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they're communicating to me. Right, so there's a lot of opportunities

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there that if companies just take a

little bit of time and be a little

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more patient in how to engage with

these, multicultural consumers,

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that's where the growth is coming.

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There is there's no going away.

That's going to be the goal or not.

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Hispanic growth is where for

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every brand across all industry,

the growth is coming.

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Yeah, I agree 100% with all of

that is I'm sitting here thinking

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everything that you're saying.

And, you know, I truly believe that,

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thing to break through.

Everyone wants to buy something based

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on what it says about themselves.

And so therefore we have to tell

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more stories.

We have to make it more

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experiential so that they can see

themselves consuming that product.

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And I like where you really

started this whole train of

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thought was through the passion

points as the overlap.

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a subset or similarly as values.

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So you take the values of company

and the vision that they have

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and you match them with that,

those cultural values or the,

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the, the buyers within that.

Culture, the values that they have.

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There's an overlap there somewhere.

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And that's where compelling messages

can be created in stories can be

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derived that make people feel like

they really do have a connection.

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Bring it back to connection with

that brand.

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But I agree 100% that the brands,

you know, they have to get away

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from transactional marketing, and it's it's a mental shift

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at the leadership level,

which is just, you know,

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the companies that get it,

the leaders that get it, they,

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they get it and they, they win, but the ones they don't,

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they they're stuck in this rat

race of,

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we want to spend X amount of dollars

to get Y amount of dollars back.

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financial standpoint, first and last.

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And those as you've said,

those are the companies that end

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up hitting Google Translate.

And, it's all tone deaf to

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to all to all audiences, really.

Because, you know,

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even as an English speaker and I see

the same thing in Spanish, I think,

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well, do they not love me fully?

Is it? They should love me only?

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Why are they loving me and all

these other people?

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I don't feel like, you know.

So it's they're losing something with

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me as well. I add another layer.

Very, very, well known when most

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of the time you will see companies.

We need to do something about the

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Hispanic market, Hispanic Heritage

month. No. There you go. Perfect.

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Let's do a campaign for Hispanic

Heritage Month so we can

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increase sales.

But then after October 15th,

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we just unplugged it.

That's right. We go. Silence!

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That sounds like it will work.

So what are you showing there?

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How much you care about it?

Yeah, you just care because you

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want to make a sale.

But, you know, multicultural

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campaign is not just a nice to have.

It's becoming a business necessity.

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So making adjustments on your

strategy is the only way moving

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forward,

to assure the sustainable growth,

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with, with your organization.

You have to care about what they

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care about first, right?

You have your agenda and even your

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vision, which is is is important.

But you got to care about what they

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care about in order to get them to

care about what you you care about.

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Correct your 100% right.

So with all of this, you know,

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you're crafting compelling messaging.

You're getting your clients to to

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get on board off of transactions

for a little while, if possible,

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and more towards storytelling

and experiential marketing.

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I'm sure that there has to be

some kind of, feedback

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mechanism that is involved where,

you know, you create a campaign,

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it goes out whether it's a social

campaign or Google ads campaign

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or billboards or whatever, how do you approach feedback

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from your audience to know that

you're on the right track?

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Assuming that you are taking

your own advice and going,

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you know you're going down the

right path? Well, definitely.

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We asked for transparency on the

clients and those sales report.

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Of course, when we run the digital

campaign, through our platforms,

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we know how many leads,

how many conversions, depending

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on the KPIs they're looking for.

We're driving to to the client.

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exponential, increase on traffic,

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whether they are retail stores, you know, sales wise.

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for one of our previous clients, during Covid 19,

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that they were,

basically suffering sales wise a lot.

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And they decided during Covid 19

to engage us,

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to do a Hispanic campaign nationwide.

And that campaign brought them,

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sales growth more than double digits

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and generating millions of dollars

of additional sales for them.

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And, and, you know,

for me was very rewarding to hear

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the CEO of an organization saying

that during Covid, after all the

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challenges the country was going

through and the company financially,

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that what we did for them was a

blessing, because it generated

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sales that were missing and

losing from the general market.

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So that's what we love to do.

We love to help companies and

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brands in how to engage with

audiences with the right message,

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doing it the right well for the

for the long, long, long run.

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with, brands that, we are

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very data driven and we love to grow

with our clients on the long term.

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You know, five years, ten years.

A great client of us in the

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Orlando Science Center.

We work with them for 16 years.

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Love it, so we love to take on,

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challenges and projects of clients

that they are like, hey, we don't

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know how to penetrate this market, where we don't know where to

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start. Well, we did it, and we fail.

And and then we believe in this

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market.

We believe in this,

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growth opportunity.

Help us grow and let's grow together.

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that's where we we love to work and,

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you know, put in the strategy,

put in the short term, long term

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goals and the plan together, we get sometimes requests or

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clients that just call you for

Hispanic heritage Month,

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or they want to sign a website

or provide content, which,

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you know, depending on what type

of brand is we we we sometimes we

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engage and sometimes we don't, but

we're more on the big picture here.

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we live in a very reactive society

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rather than a proactive one. Yeah, we we that's that's the way

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the American America is,

is reactive instead of proactive.

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We are more on the proactive.

That's our message.

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We are on the proactive.

I understand that you have certain

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goals to meet the quarter,

but you need to see how you're going

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to grow your brand moving forward.

What's your plan?

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What's your step forward into

that direction?

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That's what we like to help on

the bigger picture rather than a

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one off tactical execution.

So that leads me to a question

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about your actual business.

Then, you know,

437

00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:14,970

kind of coming off of, branding

campaigns and advertising and just

438

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talking about running a company.

You know, a lot of people are

439

00:29:18,150 --> 00:29:21,900

listening to this.

Are our CEOs and business leaders,

440

00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:24,420.

You know,

441

00:29:24,420 --> 00:29:28,830

I'm curious about how you approach

because you have a you probably

442

00:29:28,830 --> 00:29:31,980

have a very similar situation.

There's a lot of people where they,

443

00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:35,550

they, they see the truth of what

they're trying to do and what a

444

00:29:35,550 --> 00:29:38,490

real solution can be that

they're bringing to a client.

445

00:29:38,490 --> 00:29:42,210

And you've you've outlined it

really great where you know,

446

00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:44,640

you're proactive, not reactive,

and you want to work with people

447

00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,450

who kind of get it right.

And I think you would love to just

448

00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:51,420

work with everyone that gets it.

And you're on the same page like

449

00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:55,500

minded.

When you come across companies that

450

00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:59,370

you, you know, you have a meeting

of the minds and they, they say,

451

00:29:59,370 --> 00:30:02,610

okay, here's what we want to do.

And you start with the proactive

452

00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:05,520

approach and looking at vision

and goals and all of that.

453

00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,140

And, and they they walk through

it with you.

454

00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:10,950

But then you get to an impasse

where you just know that they're

455

00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:14,370

not on the same page.

They want immediate sales

456

00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:18,060

results that are sort of tone

deaf to the culture.

457

00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:22,650

And you want to bring them, educate

them, bring them up to where you are.

458

00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:24,750

You know, I think there's a lot

of people out there,

459

00:30:24,750 --> 00:30:28,170

experts out there that have that

same problem where they wish they

460

00:30:28,170 --> 00:30:32,340

could just find people that got it.

How what do you do next if you

461

00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:36,510

if you're if you're do you just

pass on those opportunities and,

462

00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:41,430

and you know, try to find the

next most ideal client or,

463

00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:44,370

do you try to educate those clients

up to the proactive approach?

464

00:30:44,370 --> 00:30:47,220

And how does that work?

Well, for for me,

465

00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:51,630

the way it works is to, first of all,

setting the right expectation

466

00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:57,510

from day one with the client.

And that starts by, we as an

467

00:30:57,510 --> 00:31:00,870

agency qualifying the client.

Is this the right client for us?

468

00:31:00,870 --> 00:31:04,680

Is this the right prospect for

us based on the answers of the

469

00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,870

questions that we have,

470

00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:11,610

so we go through a screening process.

It's not the client screening us

471

00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,110

is we screened the client.

So we are the price,

472

00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:21,600

not the client is the price, and then from there is, well,

473

00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,040

based on what they're trying to, to,

to achieve, it's a mindset thing.

474

00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,970

You know, I used to in the,

in the past when I first opened

475

00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:33,060

the agency, you know,

you're a small entrepreneur guy.

476

00:31:33,090 --> 00:31:36,090

You're trying to do the best for

your client and you feel that

477

00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:40,200

the client is the price.

But the reality is it's a mindset.

478

00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,050

You are the price.

If you really want to find the

479

00:31:43,050 --> 00:31:48,180

right clients, understanding the

value that you bring to the table

480

00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:53,010

and loving your profession,

loving yourself and respect yourself

481

00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:57,750

and say no when you need to say no, so through that process is

482

00:31:57,750 --> 00:32:01,350

when we identify, okay,

is this the right fit or not?

483

00:32:01,950 --> 00:32:04,980, we have many times that we

have to tell clients, look,

484

00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:09,030

we appreciate the opportunity, but

after this discovery meeting, I don't

485

00:32:09,030 --> 00:32:15,090

think it's the right fit for us, and also so we went through

486

00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:18,780

that route, but also we have

encountered experiences that,

487

00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:24,000

you know, going through the process.

Maybe the CMO was a little hesitant.

488

00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:26,880

This is my structure.

This is what I want to do.

489

00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,960

I want to do a specific Hispanic

campaign for Hispanic Heritage Month.

490

00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:33,540

But then when we start having

further conversation with the

491

00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:38,820

C-suite and having the CEO involved,

that's what made the shift of,

492

00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:44,400

okay, well, maybe we start here,

but Hernandez team has a point here.

493

00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,220

This should be something that we

should be doing ongoing.

494

00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:52,020

So let's start maybe with a pilot

campaign on a specific market.

495

00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:54,540

Let's see the attractions that

they can bring.

496

00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:58,320

And then we can turn this into a

national type of campaign.

497

00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,370, that's how we usually like

to work when we see there's an

498

00:33:02,370 --> 00:33:06,210

opportunity here, let's start small. Right.

499

00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:09,270

Let's start the crawl.

Walk and run approach like this

500

00:33:09,270 --> 00:33:15,510

starts somewhere, something with

that has substance, some a market

501

00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:19,620

that we know based on where the

client is doing business, that we

502

00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:23,370

know it can generate the results

because the numbers are there.

503

00:33:23,820 --> 00:33:27,780

And then we learn from it,

and then we start adding more

504

00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:31,200

markets and adding more budget.

At the end of the day,

505

00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,820

we always tell clients.

Is not about increasing your

506

00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:39,510

marketing dollars. That's right.

We get it all the time.

507

00:33:39,510 --> 00:33:42,540

Oh, yeah, it sounds great.

Heard on Hispanic market.

508

00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:46,170

Yet we understand there is a

huge business opportunity,

509

00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:48,540

but we don't have more money.

And I'm like,

510

00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:53,610

I'm not asking you for more money.

What I'm asking you is to reallocate

511

00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:56,970

your marketing dollars according

to those areas of growth.

512

00:33:57,420 --> 00:34:01,470

So if you are in Houston, where

Hispanics now became the majority of

513

00:34:01,470 --> 00:34:05,880

the state, and you're doing zero

advertising for Hispanic market,

514

00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:09,510

you have not have been to majority.

So I'm not telling you spend

515

00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:11,880

more money in Houston.

What I'm saying is reallocate

516

00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,040

your Houston your your Texas

budget differently.

517

00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,870

If you are in Miami where 80% of

Miami, Fort Lauderdale of the

518

00:34:21,870 --> 00:34:24,900

population is Hispanics and

believe me, I still see brands.

519

00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:27,690

They don't do any Hispanic in Miami.

They do chest English.

520

00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:32,700

Then it's a 80 over 20. Yeah.

So you're putting all your

521

00:34:32,700 --> 00:34:36,900

budget into the 20% not of where

the country at.

522

00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:40,500

What point are you going to realize

that? Is it going to be 100%.

523

00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,320

You're still going to be in English.

Exactly, exactly.

524

00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,340

So again, it's not about spending

more. It's about reallocating.

525

00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:51,270

It's not about a outspending.

Your competitor is about

526

00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:57,570

outsmarting your competition, is is just common sense,

527

00:34:57,570 --> 00:35:02,400

that, you know, we all learned these

into when we went to the university,

528

00:35:02,430 --> 00:35:05,100, you know, marketing advertising

is a lot of common sense.

529

00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:08,610

The problem is this common sense

is not common anymore.

530

00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:12,000

And also, let's be realistic.

There are people in marketing at

531

00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,620

this point.

Sometimes they shouldn't be in

532

00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:17,100

marketing. 100% agree.

You know, whether they have a degree

533

00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:21,720

in accounting or an engineering

firm or they come from sales.

534

00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:26,190, but, you know,

that's why you have these profession,

535

00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:30,630

you know, they all need to

understand that you need experts.

536

00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:34,200

And if you don't know a specific

topic, just surround yourself

537

00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,750

with people that can guide you

and help your brand.

538

00:35:37,350 --> 00:35:43,200, to to get where you want to be.

You know, we deal sometimes

539

00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,960

with companies that are like,

I have my agency.

540

00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,350

My agency takes care of everything.

I'm like, great,

541

00:35:49,350 --> 00:35:52,020

you have a relationship,

you're doing good with your general

542

00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:58,260

market. Agency is a specialist.

So the funny part is sometimes they

543

00:35:58,260 --> 00:36:03,540

are like, okay, you just give me a

word document of my campaign that

544

00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:08,310

my agency did, and then they will

copy and paste and do the artwork,

545

00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:11,760, for the Hispanic market.

And I'm like, okay,

546

00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:15,690

your agency is the general doctor.

I am a cardiologist.

547

00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:18,480

So you came to me because you

have a heart problem.

548

00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,210

I'm telling you that we need to

do a heart surgery.

549

00:36:21,210 --> 00:36:25,200

So where you're asking me to give you

the instructions of that surgery?

550

00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,830

So your general market agency,

your general doctor will conduct

551

00:36:28,830 --> 00:36:31,920

that surgery. How does it sound?

That's right.

552

00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:36,150

I'm like, you know, we are here

to help you. You came here.

553

00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:40,470

Let us work with your agency.

We all play very fair in the in

554

00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:44,280

the same sandbox.

We are the experts on this niche.

555

00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,120

Let's just partner together,

work together for the better of

556

00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,680

your company and your and your,

overall, success that you're

557

00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,630

trying to reach. I love it, Hernan.

Thank you so much for being on.

558

00:36:57,630 --> 00:37:00,480

This is, as I thought it

would be amazing conversation.

559

00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,350

And I love talking about this

topic of messaging and,

560

00:37:04,350 --> 00:37:07,950

culture and branding and all of this.

So thank you so much. Thank you.

561

00:37:07,950 --> 00:37:09,750

My pleasure.

Thank you for having me in your show.

562

00:37:10,350 --> 00:37:11,700

All right.

So if we,

563

00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:14,820

want to send people your way,

do we just send them to the group

564

00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:18,480

advertising com, or can we send them

to you directly somewhere? Yeah.

565

00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,230

Yeah, yeah, no, they can you can send

them by the group advertising.com.

566

00:37:22,860 --> 00:37:27,060

They can also, send,

send me a, send an email if they're

567

00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:30,510

interested in new business, Hernan at the group X.com.

568

00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:37,590, and then the main line of the

agency is (400) 789-8240 nine.

569

00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,020

That's great.

And you were telling me before we

570

00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:44,310

jumped on here that you were CEO of

the year last year or this year.

571

00:37:44,460 --> 00:37:48,630

I was named CEO of the year 2019

by the Orlando Business Journal,

572

00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:54,210

power play of the region 2022

and by the OBJ, the agency also

573

00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:58,530

on diversity in business.

And then I am considered one of

574

00:37:58,530 --> 00:38:03,630

the top, 200 influencers and

marketers leaders in,

575

00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:08,340

in the US. Love it.

Well, privilege to have you on and

576

00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:11,100

thanks again for the conversation.

Thank you. Really appreciate.

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